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		<title>by: InTheArean</title>
		<link>http://gearino.com/index.php/2010/01/27/drive-by-pontification-14/#comment-34377</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 14:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://gearino.com/index.php/2010/01/27/drive-by-pontification-14/#comment-34377</guid>
					<description>Loco, I agree with your viewpoint of conservatism, individual liberty, etc., but in the case of marital restrictions, everyone is being treated exactly the same.  There is no discrimination.  No one is allowed to marry another person of the same sex.  No one.  That means it applies to us all alike.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loco, I agree with your viewpoint of conservatism, individual liberty, etc., but in the case of marital restrictions, everyone is being treated exactly the same.  There is no discrimination.  No one is allowed to marry another person of the same sex.  No one.  That means it applies to us all alike.
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		<title>by: Locomotive Breath</title>
		<link>http://gearino.com/index.php/2010/01/27/drive-by-pontification-14/#comment-34070</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 16:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://gearino.com/index.php/2010/01/27/drive-by-pontification-14/#comment-34070</guid>
					<description>&quot;As a conservative, [Olson] says he believes in individual liberty and freedom from government interference in the private lives of citizens.&quot;

As I have demonstrated by starting the debate in this thread, once the government starts handing out benefits based on a citizen's marital status or parental status - personal choices among many others - in an attempt to encourage some and discourage others of those personal choices according to some value judgment, then you open up an endless debate on the value of those personal choices. The true conservative principle would be to NOT hand out benefits based on personal choices but to treat everyone equally. Olson is therefore wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;As a conservative, [Olson] says he believes in individual liberty and freedom from government interference in the private lives of citizens.&#8221;</p>
<p>As I have demonstrated by starting the debate in this thread, once the government starts handing out benefits based on a citizen&#8217;s marital status or parental status - personal choices among many others - in an attempt to encourage some and discourage others of those personal choices according to some value judgment, then you open up an endless debate on the value of those personal choices. The true conservative principle would be to NOT hand out benefits based on personal choices but to treat everyone equally. Olson is therefore wrong.
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		<title>by: InTheArena</title>
		<link>http://gearino.com/index.php/2010/01/27/drive-by-pontification-14/#comment-33552</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 21:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://gearino.com/index.php/2010/01/27/drive-by-pontification-14/#comment-33552</guid>
					<description>If the argument is simply one of inappropriate governmental interference, then why stop (or for that matter, start) with Gay Marriage?  The list is long.  However, if the argument is simply one of fairness, then the ban meets the measure since it applies equally to everyone, and is thus non-discriminatory, and thus is the polar opposite of the struggle that we, as Free Blacks, have endured.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the argument is simply one of inappropriate governmental interference, then why stop (or for that matter, start) with Gay Marriage?  The list is long.  However, if the argument is simply one of fairness, then the ban meets the measure since it applies equally to everyone, and is thus non-discriminatory, and thus is the polar opposite of the struggle that we, as Free Blacks, have endured.
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		<title>by: NotThatImportant</title>
		<link>http://gearino.com/index.php/2010/01/27/drive-by-pontification-14/#comment-33529</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 14:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://gearino.com/index.php/2010/01/27/drive-by-pontification-14/#comment-33529</guid>
					<description>Loco, please follow your own logic. 

&quot;While you’re working, you pay taxes to support to people who are too old to work.&quot;

If one is childless, he/she pays no less than someone with children. The is no free or free loading to be had. They have already paid their share into the system. The major difference is he/she leaves behind no additional burden for the next generation to support when the non existent child gets old. And even if one agrees with your pretzel logic, having an only child (one can only assume that means you based on your reference to your offspring in the singular) means you should count yourself among the subsidized. Since your only child is not going to pay double to support both you and your wife.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loco, please follow your own logic. </p>
<p>&#8220;While you’re working, you pay taxes to support to people who are too old to work.&#8221;</p>
<p>If one is childless, he/she pays no less than someone with children. The is no free or free loading to be had. They have already paid their share into the system. The major difference is he/she leaves behind no additional burden for the next generation to support when the non existent child gets old. And even if one agrees with your pretzel logic, having an only child (one can only assume that means you based on your reference to your offspring in the singular) means you should count yourself among the subsidized. Since your only child is not going to pay double to support both you and your wife.
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		<title>by: Locomotive Breath</title>
		<link>http://gearino.com/index.php/2010/01/27/drive-by-pontification-14/#comment-33527</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 13:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://gearino.com/index.php/2010/01/27/drive-by-pontification-14/#comment-33527</guid>
					<description>The tax deductions for children are trivial when it comes to the cost of raising the child.

Social security is a pay as you go system. While you're working, you pay taxes to support to people who are too old to work. When you're too old to work the next generation pays taxes to support you.

It is based on a social model where everyone gets married and has kids. At the time it was created, the unmarried and childless were pitied. That social model is now broken and so is Social Security which always was a ticking time bomb of a  Ponzi scheme.

Freeloaders without children use such derogatory terms as &quot;breeders&quot; and complain about having to pay taxes to educate other people's kids. &quot;I wanna keep it all for myself, I have a vacation coming up&quot; I hear them whine. You better hope that other person's kid gets a good education and becomes a high wage earner so s/he can pay you the benefits to which you think you're entitled.

The silver lining is that at least the freeloaders keep themselves out of the gene pool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The tax deductions for children are trivial when it comes to the cost of raising the child.</p>
<p>Social security is a pay as you go system. While you&#8217;re working, you pay taxes to support to people who are too old to work. When you&#8217;re too old to work the next generation pays taxes to support you.</p>
<p>It is based on a social model where everyone gets married and has kids. At the time it was created, the unmarried and childless were pitied. That social model is now broken and so is Social Security which always was a ticking time bomb of a  Ponzi scheme.</p>
<p>Freeloaders without children use such derogatory terms as &#8220;breeders&#8221; and complain about having to pay taxes to educate other people&#8217;s kids. &#8220;I wanna keep it all for myself, I have a vacation coming up&#8221; I hear them whine. You better hope that other person&#8217;s kid gets a good education and becomes a high wage earner so s/he can pay you the benefits to which you think you&#8217;re entitled.</p>
<p>The silver lining is that at least the freeloaders keep themselves out of the gene pool.
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		<title>by: NotThatImportant</title>
		<link>http://gearino.com/index.php/2010/01/27/drive-by-pontification-14/#comment-33473</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://gearino.com/index.php/2010/01/27/drive-by-pontification-14/#comment-33473</guid>
					<description>Oh yeah, and I guess loco doesn't think the deductions to his income taxes for his kid through the years count for anything. Those hetero freeloaders paying the full freight of state and federal taxes are clearly taking advantage of the rest of us married with children chumps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yeah, and I guess loco doesn&#8217;t think the deductions to his income taxes for his kid through the years count for anything. Those hetero freeloaders paying the full freight of state and federal taxes are clearly taking advantage of the rest of us married with children chumps.
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		<title>by: NotThatImportant</title>
		<link>http://gearino.com/index.php/2010/01/27/drive-by-pontification-14/#comment-33472</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://gearino.com/index.php/2010/01/27/drive-by-pontification-14/#comment-33472</guid>
					<description>RLR, good point not to mention that loco should be grateful to the hetero freeloaders for paying the social security and medicare of his parents (or himself depending on what generation he's kvetching about about). However, it won't do much good -- loco never met a counterpoint he couldn't comfortably ignore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RLR, good point not to mention that loco should be grateful to the hetero freeloaders for paying the social security and medicare of his parents (or himself depending on what generation he&#8217;s kvetching about about). However, it won&#8217;t do much good &#8212; loco never met a counterpoint he couldn&#8217;t comfortably ignore.
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		<title>by: RLR</title>
		<link>http://gearino.com/index.php/2010/01/27/drive-by-pontification-14/#comment-33467</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 17:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://gearino.com/index.php/2010/01/27/drive-by-pontification-14/#comment-33467</guid>
					<description>Good thing that breeders get access to other peoples' resources to educate the fruit of their loins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good thing that breeders get access to other peoples&#8217; resources to educate the fruit of their loins.
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		<title>by: Locomotive Breath</title>
		<link>http://gearino.com/index.php/2010/01/27/drive-by-pontification-14/#comment-33441</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 12:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://gearino.com/index.php/2010/01/27/drive-by-pontification-14/#comment-33441</guid>
					<description>More seriously, the government sanction of marriage has all to do with the benefits. Those benefits were established along one model of society. If you're going to change the model of society, you need to re-examine the benefits.

For example, I consider hetero couples who don't bother to have children to be freeloaders. Why should my kid be taxed to pay their social security and medicare? They should be able to take of themselves quite nicely on the money they didn't spend on raising kids. What? Spent it all running with the fancy people? Tough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More seriously, the government sanction of marriage has all to do with the benefits. Those benefits were established along one model of society. If you&#8217;re going to change the model of society, you need to re-examine the benefits.</p>
<p>For example, I consider hetero couples who don&#8217;t bother to have children to be freeloaders. Why should my kid be taxed to pay their social security and medicare? They should be able to take of themselves quite nicely on the money they didn&#8217;t spend on raising kids. What? Spent it all running with the fancy people? Tough.
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		<title>by: Locomotive Breath</title>
		<link>http://gearino.com/index.php/2010/01/27/drive-by-pontification-14/#comment-33440</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 12:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://gearino.com/index.php/2010/01/27/drive-by-pontification-14/#comment-33440</guid>
					<description>NAMBLA applauds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NAMBLA applauds.
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